Libertarian Party

[un camacho]

After voting for the big two parties for years and being let down, I am becoming increasingly interested in the Libertarian party.
I truly like their ideas about personal freedom, especially as it pertains to sex and relationships, and the relaxed attitude towards alcohol, and decriminalization of small scale drugs. Also, their neutral stance on world politics/wars, religion, and support of free markets and small government.
I think Libertarians would be the best for our hobby, while both Dem/Rep want to castrate us if they could.
But Libertarians could also spur economic growth and well-being, by cutting down unnecessary regulations.
Of course there's not enough info or evidence on record for the party. I welcome a discussion of the subject, pros and cons.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by camp

After voting for the big two parties for years and being let down, I am becoming increasingly interested in the Libertarian party.
I truly like their ideas about personal freedom, especially as it pertains to sex and relationships, and the relaxed attitude towards alcohol, and decriminalization of small scale drugs. Also, their neutral stance on world politics/wars, religion, and support of free markets and small government.
I think Libertarians would be the best for our hobby, while both Dem/Rep want to castrate us if they could.
But Libertarians could also spur economic growth and well-being, by cutting down unnecessary regulations.
Of course there's not enough info or evidence on record for the party. I welcome a discussion of the subject, pros and cons.

don't be fooled by the Ron Paul and Rand Paul brand of Libertarianism. both of them push big government intrusion when it comes to a women's autonomy over her own body. many Libertarians are just conservatives in disguise. Andrew Napolitano on the Fox (Tea Party GOP talking points) News (?) Network calls himself a Libertarian but he admits that he's Roman Catholic and he always takes sides with his church on social and women's issues. Napolitano is a fake and you know about Catholic church dogma and fucking. read Reason magazine. it has numerous writers that are real Libertarians and many of their writers support sex workers' rights and us. in the past I have posted on here some of their articles.

Live and Let Live

[Lector]

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[asiansam]

I'm impressed by what I've seen of Libertarian ideology, but as Libertine pointed out, anyone can say they are a Libertarian. Doesn't mean they represent the same thing. The problem is, the two-party system we have is pretty much a monopoly run by those two parties (and their special interests). The system is rigged to pretty much exclude anyone else, which explains Trump running as a Republican and Sanders running as a Democrat. I just love how the party elites on both sides of the aisle have been shitting their pants over these two imposters trying to hijack both the rank-and-file members and the election itself. Poetic justice would be Trump as POTUS and Bernie as his VP, both of them telling the Repub-ocrat leadership and their corporate puppet-masters to go get fucked!

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by asiansam

I'm impressed by what I've seen of Libertarian ideology, but as Libertine pointed out, anyone can say they are a Libertarian. Doesn't mean they represent the same thing. The problem is, the two-party system we have is pretty much a monopoly run by those two parties (and their special interests). The system is rigged to pretty much exclude anyone else, which explains Trump running as a Republican and Sanders running as a Democrat. I just love how the party elites on both sides of the aisle have been shitting their pants over these two imposters trying to hijack both the rank-and-file members and the election itself. Poetic justice would be Trump as POTUS and Bernie as his VP, both of them telling the Repub-ocrat leadership and their corporate puppet-masters to go get fucked!

Sam is spot on about the two-party system here. in order to play in the big show it only requires three things: 1) money. 2) ballot access in all 50 states. 3) the most money. I have artist chick friend in Norway. they have 8 political parties that are active in their government: Socialist Left Party, Labour Party, Centre Party, Green Party, Liberal Party, Christian Democratic Party, Conservative Party, Progress Party. check out Canada, Great Britain, and other European and Scandinavian countries. they all have more than two parties. look at your Cali ballot for June. there are several people running from other parties. none of them have a chance. it's nearly impossible for a third party to raise enough coin to complete nationwide and try to get on the ballot in all 50 states. it ain't gonna happen. the majority of conservatives in the British parliament are not bat shit crazy far right wing religious conservatives like we have here (Ted Cruz). conservatives across the pond support labor unions, universal healthcare, government run social and other programs, believe in science, and they are to the center left on social issues. no political system is perfect. presidental candidates claiming that God told them to be President and want to run the country just like the bible scare the shit out of me. remember George Bush? he claimed God talked to him. you know the little baby Jesus was born right here in America, didn't you? our country was founded on the word of God and the literal interpretation of the bible, right? don't ever forget that many of these politicians in office in Washington, DC right now do not believe in science but they believe in talking snakes (Genesis). you better believe in that also or ya'll are gonna burn in hell. you're never gonna see atheist President anytime soon. how about some 'Freedom from Religion.'

[chanceforester]

'[/quote]presidental candidates claiming that God told them to be President and want to run the country just like the bible scare the shit out of me. you're never gonna see atheist President anytime soon. how about some 'Freedom from Religion.'[/quote]

Agreed. That's what freaks me out about Cruz. It's like he thinks he's anointed to be president and thinks he's Ronaldus Maximus reincarnatus. I half expect him to show up on Inauguration Day to be sworn in, whoever wins the general....

I'm down with social rights, but speaking of freedom from things, how about freedom not to applaud shit I don't give a fuck about. Shit like, what you have in your underpants and what you think you want in your underpants, or whether you prefer sucking cock as to pussy, or what fuckin color you are and what your nationality is.

I could care less what you do on your own time and if you can do a job, you can do the job. But It's like tattoos. If you have a shit load of them all over you, then you might consider not going into outside sales. Some people find ink offensive. Some people find a 6'3" guy with goatee in heels offensive. I personally find butch chicks offensive because I can't fantasize about fucking them.

We need to quit being so fucking sensitive as a society. It's just pathetic. I mean, does anyone remember Polack jokes? For the life of me I couldn't figure out why people made fun of Poles, but I laughed at the jokes. I laugh at Mic, Limey, and Nazi jokes, too. So what?

And here's the thing that all elections that I ever remember boil down to. Our wallets. Who is going to promise my wallet gets some fuckin relief and who do I most think can do it?

[marsean]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Sam is spot on about the two-party system here. in order to play in the big show it only requires three things: 1) money. 2) ballot access in all 50 states. 3) the most money. I have artist chick friend in Norway. they have 8 political parties that are active in their government: Socialist Left Party, Labour Party, Centre Party, Green Party, Liberal Party, Christian Democratic Party, Conservative Party, Progress Party. check out Canada, Great Britain, and other European and Scandinavian countries. they all have more than two parties. look at your Cali ballot for June. there are several people running from other parties. none of them have a chance. it's nearly impossible for a third party to raise enough coin to complete nationwide and try to get on the ballot in all 50 states. it ain't gonna happen. the majority of conservatives in the British parliament are not bat shit crazy far right wing religious conservatives like we have here (Ted Cruz). conservatives across the pond support labor unions, universal healthcare, government run social and other programs, believe in science, and they are to the center left on social issues. no political system is perfect. presidental candidates claiming that God told them to be President and want to run the country just like the bible scare the shit out of me. remember George Bush? he claimed God talked to him. you know the little baby Jesus was born right here in America, didn't you? our country was founded on the word of God and the literal interpretation of the bible, right? don't ever forget that many of these politicians in office in Washington, DC right now do not believe in science but they believe in talking snakes (Genesis). you better believe in that also or ya'll are gonna burn in hell. you're never gonna see atheist President anytime soon. how about some 'Freedom from Religion.'

Yeah, I agree with all you guys commenting. This senator Ted Cruz is too extreme to have a consensus IMHO. Look what he caused when Boehner was the Speaker of the House, when the butt headedness of Cruz caused the government shutdown and so much turmoil that the government hasn't agreed on anything since. These fucks are all sucking on the grand tit of the tax money we all send in. At least they could get some progress done that would please the people. So I do not see how Cruz will make it. And that's the other thing...all this whining about religion by the right being so indignant as if the political system was cutting their balls off if they are not allowed to mix in religion into the politics. What bullshit. Didn't we have division of church and state going way back? Too much talk about Religion when they are running as they are just using that to try to temp more votes as if religion can run our political system. No way. Now of course we have freedom of religion, but don't tell me that you got to declare what religion you are when you go to vote! That's sort of the inference that becomes attached to the style that Cruz is working on. Anyway, the other problem is, they say one person, one vote. With all these different rules in each party for primaries or delegates, apparently Trump and Sanders have some valid points about that part of the system. But later on after they have the nominees for each party we go to the electoral college to count the votes that go all to the candidate that has at least ONE POPULAR VOTE more than the other candidate. So the bigger states may really be the ones to swing the election. When you count the popular vote the one with more could lose to the one who has more electoral votes. I think it may have happened before. So should not we have just the popular votes totaled up to determine the winner? What happened to One Person, One Vote? Anyway....November still ways off...I have figured no use to predict at this point. I used to see on ballots many parties too, peace and freedom, dems, repubs, independants, libertarians, but the top two seem to control with their stranglehold and their strange way to get through primaries and the kicker is the electoral college numbers. Remember the time Ross Perot ran as an independent? Anyway, yes...live and let live, don't mix religion with politics, peace, out!

[chanceforester]

QUOTE I think it may have happened before. So should not we have just the popular votes totaled up to determine the winner? What happened to One Person, One Vote?

And this is why this election is so important - because it gets people like you and me asking questions about this - and regardless of what you think of Sanders or Trump, they have brought this election cycle to it's knees. It's fucking beautiful.

In regard to the delegate process, I respect the idea because I believe it to be a balance against mob rule and also gave a voice to those who might not be able to make it to the polls many moons ago; but it needs to be revamped because it's been taken over by private entities - so called National Conventions.

This season is game changing and it's a good thing. I hope it re-configures the election process and more importantly draws people in. Like I said, gay, straight, black, white, we all have wallets and we all have people we need to take care of. And some of us have hobbies that require actual cash.....

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by marsean

But later on after they have the nominees for each party we go to the electoral college to count the votes that go all to the candidate that has at least ONE POPULAR VOTE more than the other candidate. So the bigger states may really be the ones to swing the election. When you count the popular vote the one with more could lose to the one who has more electoral votes. I think it may have happened before. So should not we have just the popular votes totaled up to determine the winner? What happened to One Person, One Vote?

so what happened to President Gore in 2000? he won the popular vote, he lost in the electoral college. Supreme Court: you are ordered to stop counting the ballots in Florida. now GOP whines and cries the popular votes must prevail. I never heard a word about this from GOP back in 2000 when the Supreme Court put Bush in office. then conservatives complain for 7 years after they lose 'two elections' fair and square and because they don't like the voting system when they lose unless they win, then the system is the very best on the planet. fuck Republican hypocrites.

[asiansam]

Originally Posted by marsean

These fucks are all sucking on the grand tit of the tax money we all send in. At least they could get some progress done that would please the people.

The thing is, the grand tit they're all sucking on is the tit of special interests, and THAT'S who they're really working for. Whatever progress that's made is whatever benefits ACME, Inc. Naturally we don't see it, because it's not being used to benefit the people. All "these fucks" care about is getting re-elected and trying to make their half of the Republican/Democrat conspiracy be the dominant half. All the rest is smoke and mirrors to trick us into following issues they never intend to solve, and they use those issues to rally us around whichever party resonates most with us as individuals, telling us that only their party can solve everything.

To me, neither party is better or worse than the other. They're just two sides of the same coin. Lying hypocrites, every last one of them. I'd say they're prostitutes as well, since they're bought and paid for, but that would insult prostitutes. At least whores have some scruples.