Pro vs Non-pro sex

[MPkid]

Originally Posted by dj110

I agree MP. And I'm not trying to come across arrogant. Bottom line if you are not an attractive guy, personality and humor can still get you far. And learn how to eat pussy like a champ. But i do get a thrill out of a Viet or chinese girl who seems to only do HJ getting crazy with me when we can barely communicate. Good for the ego.

Absolutely....It's a better rush to get a legit or HJ FOB that doesn't speak English well to suck or fuck because you know it wasn't because you "talked" her into it. LOL

[dj110]

Man, we are fucking sick.

[MPkid]

Originally Posted by dj110

Man, we are fucking sick.

Everyone is just as sick...the difference is WE aren't afraid to talk about it.

[Obsessive]

Originally Posted by MPkid

Obsessive, I used to think like you...

Sorry I removed all that. It's nothing new that I've heard. I don't live under a rock so I know all about that stuff.

Yet you and I are still here. If I ever found any of what you described actually work for me, I wouldn't be getting only what I get in the kind of situations I do. It's having gone through much of that for so long which has lead me to my conclusion.

If what you describe is so true for you, why are you on a site which exists only for sharing reviews of pay-for-play?

[Obsessive]

Originally Posted by Hugh G. Rexion

I think he should just accept his place like the other losers in life...lol.

Just something about his musings make it seem like a lost cause because you either get it(understand women) or you don't. Its the part where he seems to feel sorry for himself and thinks there is something obvious he doesn't see and the fact that he thinks the mongers of MPR can actually help him....well maybe MPkid will help but the rest of us are busy blowing our paychecks on shitty massages and handjobs from the nice fobby ladies of the SGV and GG

I didn't understand it either it took me at least 5 years to move out of the house and away from my ex.

I'm not trying to get help or advice from you guys. I was just sharing because the discussion seemed relatable to me. To the guys who then jumped in to give advice, it's appreciated but my experience is not what you may think. I know about the stuff that's supposed to help in normal dating but I never got it to work for me. If I ever did, I wouldn't be here. It makes me wonder about MPKid - if he got normal dating to work for him to his satisfaction, why is he mongering? The only reason i can think of for any guy to monger who otherwise has access to women is because he's married and wanting variety or he's not getting the kind of women he wants.

I'm being honest. I'm not throwing bull around like somehow I'm getting the kind of women I want but inexplicably still here. I'm here because I can't get the kind of women I want but at least I found a way to rent them. It's a downer because the money is so insignificant sometimes I wonder why they wouldn't just be into me any other way?

I don't disagree about American women. Most are counts and the few good ones remaining are being brainwashed these days by extreme feminist thinking. The problem is I tend to only find American women attractive. Not purely just American. What I mean is Western-looking white or American-Asian. Pale Latinas. White, Spanish or Italian European. German. Swiss. I don't like their Western personalities but I like their Western look. Where can I find that look but not the attitude? Where can I find women who can care for a guy based on his mind and personality and not his looks or wallet? I don't mind if a woman might originally pay attention to me because of money but I don't want to feel like I have to pay for her time or attention.

[dj110]

Obsessive. i can not speak for anyone else. But why I monger is because it is so damn easy. The girl has me laying naked in front of me and she is trapped for 1 hour. That gives me 1 hour to talk her into wanting me. That normally does not happen on the street. And it can happen on a date, but normally her hands are not on my naked body on a first date.

[Obsessive]

Originally Posted by dj110

Obsessive. i can not speak for anyone else. But why I monger is because it is so damn easy. The girl has me laying naked in front of me and she is trapped for 1 hour. That gives me 1 hour to talk her into wanting me. That normally does not happen on the street. And it can happen on a date, but normally her hands are not on my naked body on a first date.

But it's not real.

I can trick myself into the illusion that the girl wants me but if anything more happens than would normally it's not because she really does want me it's because I probably just look and talk better than the other mongers she's used to groping at her. If she's UTR or I lucked out and found a girl who doesn't do this often or I'm a rare circumstance for her, it just makes it a little easier to get somewhere with her. If they were really interested in me and wanting me then they wouldn't expect or take money from me to see me again.

Over the years I've done almost everything except picking up street walkers which is gross. I've been to AMPs of all kinds, Korean, Chinese, Thai. Apartment setups. Escorts. Incall & outcall. Girls from CL and BP and smaller sites when those didn't pay off. Massage listing sites. Strip clubs. Private show places like lingerie modeling. These days I only have 2 things I do, go to legit massage places and get the best looking girls there to give me HJs or use my experience with the CL type sites to find UTR girls. For the massage places I get them to give me more & more and for the UTR girls the expectations are set really low and I just go for more when we're face to face. Most of the time if the expectations are set too high the girl will either not show up or make excuses or ask for outrageous amounts of money.

In all those experiences I've become long time real friends with just 2 women who I originally met this way. Just friends, the fun doesn't go off the clock. There have been a few more that the friendship fizzled. In any circumstance where I took things much further than expectations called for, I fooled myself into believing it meant anything more than I made her feel like she could give more to me for less than others because I wasn't gross and treated her with respect without being a pussy, but there was still money involved. There always is. I know some mongers will chime in with the notion that even girlfriends or wives cost money, but that is different. They may want to be treated to things that cost money like dinners and gifts but they're not expecting a few bills handed to them before they leave because they have real emotions attached to their attraction in the matter.

This is not a replacement for something real. The only reason I keep doing it is because living without any sex or attention is painful. The most interest any legit girl I meet ever has shown me is basic friendship. If I tolerate that they never lift a finger to help me meet anyone even if I ask. They always find excuses or dodge it and it feels like they have an unspoken judgement about me that I would not be interesting to anyone they know.

But the girls I pay continue to fuck me, blow me, come see me. They continue to give me what I seek even if the money is less than they'd make waiting tables for just a few hours a week. The money becomes the block. It's not very common but there have been a few occasions I've managed to get unrushed no clock watching BBFS sex from very cute white American girls for just $80 or $100. I still wonder what those girls were thinking. For some of them it cost them more to get to my place and all they do with the money is get a nice dinner with their friends that night. When I try to switch it up and just take them to dinner outright it never worked out, it was beyond what they were looking for. I've tried every angle. Ordering dinner in, gift cards, going down on them for 30 minutes til they came and couldn't do anything for a bit until they took care of me. Nothing I did ever removed the expectation of at least some money.

What a miserable kick in the balls yet I can't let go of this lifestyle of mine because it's the only way I've managed to get what I want.

[asiansam]

Obsessive, it seems your mind is made up. You have an answer for every suggestion or observation and I believe you are comfortable in your predicament, unsatisfying as it may be. It may just be your lot in life, to accept and live with, or it may just be one of life's mysteries that you have yet to unravel. Good luck to you!

[hornyag101]

I think the problem is obvious, it's right in your username: Obsessive

You're so worried about why women don't like you that of course they don't like you. You have to like your-self first before others will like you, try working on that.

Most of us around here are not worried about why we monger, all of us I am sure have different reasons. I have a steady GF but I have always enjoyed a variety of women, it is safer to monger than date and get caught.

Stop thinking so much and just do what you want. When you see a girl you like don't think about her turning you down, think about how warm her sweet pussy will feel wrapped around your cock. It's not being cocky, it's being confident and that is what makes panties drop more than looks and money.

People are just calling you a loser because losers look for excuses, stop making excuses and go after what you want. You will fail more often than you succeed but winners keep trying, losers quit.

[Hugh G. Rexion]

Obsessive don't be such a friggin head case

You start out the relationship under the premise of paying money for sex and then u seem surprised that the relationship never changes