Pro vs Non-pro sex

[funtimes07]

I don't know, his info seems pretty vague to me. Almost like he's just trying to bullshit us on this forum. He still hasn't been clear on how or where he does this. Frankly, at this point, I don't believe him.

[Obsessive]

Why would I be specific with you guys here? I don't want all of you all over my territory and sucking up what I get by repeating exactly what I do. It's not parlor whores we're talking about who will have a line of guys every day waiting to see them. I shared what I shared to be part of the discussion, not give you guys a map and instructions.

Or did you mean the original poster? If him, I think he went too detailed in the meeting with the blue dress girl. Seemed like too much minute-by-minute detail.

[Hugh G. Rexion]

Come on guys its not that hard to copy and paste another dude's craiglist ad. I've done it a few times. There is no magic to this. If you place enough ads you will get some responses and its up to you to weed out the pros. Myself I always chicken out and have never met anyone doing this. Backpage you can automatically run an ad once a week for a couple months and it costs $3.00

[kewlBraad]

Obsessive, I agree with you, too much detail on my part for the original post here. But, I couldn't help, it just spilled out! lol

As for your honest portrayal of what you experience with "non-pros" whether UTR or other. I think this is getting at a portion of what my original post is musing over. The idea of having sex with the opposite sex just for the sake of having sex. Both parties enjoy it for that and that alone. No pressures, no payments, etc. For me, that is interesting.

Now, concerning your paying non-pros to have sex with you, vs you not being able to hook up without that payment. We all have degrees of that challenge...imho. Some less than others, but women in general are hard to get in the sack and motivated by different factors than us men.

That said, I think some non-pros are attracted to the idea of having sex with a stranger, similar to the way we are, yet they tend to be more hesitant about it, but the thought of some money involved (female Viagra) just makes it that much more intriguing to them.

[MPkid]

Originally Posted by Obsessive

Why would I be specific with you guys here? I don't want all of you all over my territory and sucking up what I get by repeating exactly what I do. It's not parlor whores we're talking about who will have a line of guys every day waiting to see them. I shared what I shared to be part of the discussion, not give you guys a map and instructions.

Or did you mean the original poster? If him, I think he went too detailed in the meeting with the blue dress girl. Seemed like too much minute-by-minute detail.

Obsessive, There was a thread before with guys offering you advise about your situation. What has come of that? Has anything changed? You kinda just disappeared from the forum. You should meet some girls in Asia and take a trip there. You'll discover that meeting and dating in other countries is more "natural" and you don't have to pretend to be someone you're not OR play some stupid games like you MUST do to date attractive American women. You don't seem like you're broke or couldn't afford a few thousand for a vacation that will change your life. If you want help planning a trip or would like more info feel free to PM me. The other option is to meet and date FOB girls that have only been here a short time and have not become "Americanized". They are less likely to be hung up on looks as long as you are a decent guy and treat them well.

[Obsessive]

Originally Posted by MPkid

Obsessive, There was a thread before with guys offering you advise about your situation. What has come of that? Has anything changed? You kinda just disappeared from the forum. You should meet some girls in Asia and take a trip there. You'll discover that meeting and dating in other countries is more "natural" and you don't have to pretend to be someone you're not OR play some stupid games like you MUST do to date attractive American women. You don't seem like you're broke or couldn't afford a few thousand for a vacation that will change your life. If you want help planning a trip or would like more info feel free to PM me. The other option is to meet and date FOB girls that have only been here a short time and have not become "Americanized". They are less likely to be hung up on looks as long as you are a decent guy and treat them well.

If anything changed with that, I wouldn't be here posting again That's not totally correct, what's changed is I'm back to hunting for new & more pussy this way because I still am clueless why I can't keep it together to find normal relationships.

I few years ago I tried to get more into Asian women but I built some kind of frustration with them, different than American girls. I mean passive ones not Americanized and because I'm not as attracted to them as white or European girls I didn't find them comfortable to be around. It forces me to take the lead 100%. I'm a thinker not a doer. My actions come from intellectual decision-making rather than dominance or leadership.

I was low on money for a while but am building it back up again.

[MPkid]

Originally Posted by Obsessive

If anything changed with that, I wouldn't be here posting again That's not totally correct, what's changed is I'm back to hunting for new & more pussy this way because I still am clueless why I can't keep it together to find normal relationships.

I few years ago I tried to get more into Asian women but I built some kind of frustration with them, different than American girls. I mean passive ones not Americanized and because I'm not as attracted to them as white or European girls I didn't find them comfortable to be around. It forces me to take the lead 100%. I'm a thinker not a doer. My actions come from intellectual decision-making rather than dominance or leadership.

I was low on money for a while but am building it back up again.

I think we found a big part of your problem. Women (ALL WOMEN) want a guy to be the boss, make the decisions and be a leader. If you are always asking the girl to assist in the decision making (even if it is something as simple as asking what she wants to eat) they will see you as a wuss and look to bang anyone but you. That is why you felt you had to take the lead 100% of the time with the FOB type girls is they are more natural about wanting their man to be a MAN and why it is so confusing to the average guy trying to date American girls that on one hand say they want to be equal but when you try to treat them as an equal in decision making and things like that they don't respect you and complain that you're not a real man or a leader. I guess the difference is the FOB girl wants a man to make the decisions and be the leader in the relationship and makes it clear that is what she wants and the American girl wants the man to make the decisions and be the leader in the relationship but tells you the opposite. Then when you do what she says she wants she shits on you for not being a man. Good luck with your endeavors...I gave up on American women years ago and wouldn't fuck one ever again if I can help it. I don't know if you have noticed what is happening to men in this country but I call it the "pussification" of men in USA. Here are a few examples. Kids sports teams don't keep score anymore because we don't want the little pussies to have hurt feeling from losing. If they do allow scoring there is a "mercy rule" that makes you let the other team score before you can score again if the game score is too lopsided. Everyone gets a trophy because god forbid your pussy kid feels left out for being on a last place team. I was on a little league team that went 0-14 for the season. We never won a game. At the end of the last game there were some kids crying and guess what our coach said....I'll never forget it.... He said suck it up and stop crying! Winning is easy...losing 14 games in a row and being able to hold your head high because you fought hard and didn't quit is much harder and you're all better MEN because of it! I was 11 years old and that moment changed my life and made me a MAN. Today he would have been fired for that speech. Everywhere you look there is an outrage about bullying. Bullying was, has always been and will always be a part of life and if you cant take it you SHOULD kill yourself. We were ALL bullied as kids and we're stronger because of it. Every commercial and sitcom on TV these days that has any kind of interaction with males and females goes like this... the guy is an idiot and he needs his wife to wear the pants and fix everything he screws up. It used to be the opposite (remember I love Lucy?) but the American male is the last group that can get shit on in the media without some group threatening to sue or pull sponsorship. Just try to make fun of any other race, sex, minority etc on TV and see what happens. But, nobody seems to care they make American men look like assholes and idiots. Well, guess what? The girl you are trying to date watches all of those shows and is programed to think you're an idiot. When was the last time you heard a girl talking to her friends say how great her BF is or saw a post on Facebook from a girl saying her BF is awesome other than the times when he just bought her something? So what do you think is going to happen to all of the pussified kids being raised? They are not going to know what to do when they become adults and find out that their work place doesn't subscribe to the everyone gets a trophy (raise or promotion) bullshit and that the girls that they want to date don't have a mercy rule and let them score....by then it will be too late. Thank god I won't live long enough to see it.

[Obsessive]

That could be it.

Or it could be I'm not a good looking guy and I'm not attracted to women who are not good looking, leaving me to only be interested in women who often have better options than choosing me.

I could be as manly as any woman could want but it's not going to change my face or what I'm attracted to.

[asiansam]

Originally Posted by MPkid

I think we found a big part of your problem...

Helluva speech, Kid! I loved it!

[Hugh G. Rexion]

My opinion...the younger ladies want someone to show them a good time so partying, traveling and being good looking help. The older ones want someone to take care of them($$$). So once they hit over 30 it doesnt matter what you look like just be successful, having a nice car and owning a house in a decent city is about all you need. It probably helps to not be pussy like Mpkid said....they want to know you can handle your shit and confidence matters.

At this point I consider the hobby relationships to be normal...I'm not interested in a GF unless she has as much money as i do