Obama care

[marsean]

Yeah man. This election cycle gets more and more convoluted as each day goes by. WTH. If the burn edges hil hole Putin will teach him a lesson that we cannot tolerate. A 74 year old bending over. The hil is waiting to pay back Bill. Putin can't unless he wants to drop his GF at the moment. How does she get paid. He probably gives her fake notes. Did she learn Russian or gotta have interpreter by bedside? As for Cruz he cooked goose about NY values. Kasick? Don't even need to cover. Trump may have chance if he could talk policy besides shooting insults. But where is his ground game? It's a crap shoot. No choice pleases everyone. Obam bam proved there is no bam bam in him. Iran wins. Syria sucks. And so on. Maybe it will look different in November. Right now sucks. Just leave our honeys alone. BTW, it's all BS. And you know Obam bam don't care, just wants out.

[marsean]

United Health Care is dropping Obamacare in 15 states. Soon other insurance carriers will to. Don't think that all states exchanges can pay to keep Obamacare afloat if the major health care companies pull back from offering plans under it. If new participants have to go to substandard plans and don't have much income the plan will be forced to subsidize too many. And the major insurance carriers keep backing away. There will still be coverage available. But mostly not subsidized by Obamacare. Did someone say fall under it's own weight? House of cards? Insurance always had a back door.

[chanceforester]

Socialism is a great idea....and since I've been paying for it, I expect more of it for me!

[Lector]

United only had 5% of the market anyway.
Obamacare is here to stay, it should just be a single payer system.

Originally Posted by marsean

United Health Care is dropping Obamacare in 15 states. Soon other insurance carriers will to. Don't think that all states exchanges can pay to keep Obamacare afloat if the major health care companies pull back from offering plans under it. If new participants have to go to substandard plans and don't have much income the plan will be forced to subsidize too many. And the major insurance carriers keep backing away. There will still be coverage available. But mostly not subsidized by Obamacare. Did someone say fall under it's own weight? House of cards? Insurance always had a back door.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by marsean

United Health Care is dropping Obamacare in 15 states. Soon other insurance carriers will to. Don't think that all states exchanges can pay to keep Obamacare afloat if the major health care companies pull back from offering plans under it. If new participants have to go to substandard plans and don't have much income the plan will be forced to subsidize too many. And the major insurance carriers keep backing away. There will still be coverage available. But mostly not subsidized by Obamacare. Did someone say fall under it's own weight? House of cards? Insurance always had a back door.

this is working for most right now. it's not perfect. you got a better alternative system? I hear crickets......... didn't think so. insurance system was great before? I prefer something rather than stepping over dead people laying in the streets. offer some real solutions instead of always the sky is falling.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by lechez

United only had 5% of the market anyway.
Obamacare is here to stay, it should just be a single payer system.

fuck yeah Lechez, single payer. and fuck Big Pharma thieves. check out med prices in Canada

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by chanceforester

Socialism is a great idea....and since I've been paying for it, I expect more of it for me!

ask old people, they always say, "I love my Medicare." and " I love my Social Security." translation: I love "good socialism." then ask them about government programs that benefit other people, they say oh no, "socialism very bad." hypocrites

[marsean]

Originally Posted by Libertine

ask old people, they always say, "I love my Medicare." and " I love my Social Security." translation: I love "good socialism." then ask them about government programs that benefit other people, they say oh no, "socialism very bad." hypocrites

Yeah I know. I don't want medicare to collapse either, or social security. And yeah we are all paying for it so we expect to get taken care of. I have no problem with any of that. Everybody has to sign up for medicare at age 65 some don't know. If you are lucky the plan you have becomes back up to medicare when you go on it so you have more coverage than just medicare. I think it will stay that way. I just was not for Obamacare doing away with medicare and having a single payor system that all docs and hospitals must deal with. Enough beauracracy already where they know all about your health care. the way it has worked out so far it seems is the states are responsible for their own systems. I don't really have an issue with that either I just would not want the federal gov. to totally handle all medical care and have the "single payor" with them....that's where you may be on a long waiting list for surgery or something you need, and you may not last until you can get it. I guess you could say I have always been able to go to my own doc when I needed something and can't see waiting in line for treatment like some of the vets have had to. That treatment of the vets sucks.

[marsean]

Originally Posted by Libertine

fuck yeah Lechez, single payer. and fuck Big Pharma thieves. check out med prices in Canada

My point which I think we all agree on is that Obamacare has not controlled the price of meds or cost of healthcare and the insurance companies that have the policies have made more money on it driving up cost. It wasn't supposed to work that way. I don't have any problem with everyone having care but it's the insurance companies like United Health, for example, which is just one of many who can get away with shutting down coverage in certain states. Of course we gotta have everyone covered but seems like everytime they make a change the insurance co's just find a way to drive up prices, same with big pharma, our prices for drugs have been highest for years and how do you get a handle on that. We shouldn't have to pay any more here for meds that the Canadian prices, so how do these Pharma companies, some of which are working overseas get away with soaking us so much? On this there is a lot of focus now, but how is this gonna change big time?

[chanceforester]

Originally Posted by marsean

My point which I think we all agree on is that Obamacare has not controlled the price of meds or cost of healthcare and the insurance companies that have the policies have made more money on it driving up cost. It wasn't supposed to work that way. I don't have any problem with everyone having care but it's the insurance companies like United Health, for example, which is just one of many who can get away with shutting down coverage in certain states. Of course we gotta have everyone covered but seems like everytime they make a change the insurance co's just find a way to drive up prices, same with big pharma, our prices for drugs have been highest for years and how do you get a handle on that. We shouldn't have to pay any more here for meds that the Canadian prices, so how do these Pharma companies, some of which are working overseas get away with soaking us so much? On this there is a lot of focus now, but how is this gonna change big time?

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