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Tip vs. Fee
I just read yet another review where the monger got all bent out of shape because when on the flip the provider asked if he wanted to fuck, he said yes, and then she wanted him to pay the "tip" up front. He described this a major pet peeve for him, as I know it is for a great many of us. He even asked rhetorically,
"Why do these prostitutes expect a tip as soon as they see you naked on the table?" I've got a couple of thoughts on this. First, the obvious. After getting stiffed by enough asshole mongers who either just walk out after getting what they want, or pulling the old "I left my money in the car" stunt, these girls get wise and want to have the money in hand before they render the requested service. The other thought is this. If a monger goes to an AAMP and the gate fee is 120 (or 140, 160 or 200), all inclusive, few mongers would bitch about paying that up front. Same for an old-fashioned whore house. Nobody gets to pay the Madam on the way out. It's always money up front and all is negotiated before he even gets to the room. Everybody knows that. So, when a guy goes into a massage parlor and is charged 40, 50 or 60 up front for the gate fee, few mongers bitch about that. But when he starts selecting additional items from the menu during the massage, some mongers have the idea that these are not somehow additional items to be paid for ahead of time, but rather things she'd better do and do well, if she wants ANY kind of tip later for services rendered. The gate fee at a massage parlor is to cover the room and the massage, period. If all you get is a massage, well, that's all you paid for, isn't it? If at the end you want something more and she agrees to do it, why is she out of line to ask you to pay for it first, and also to tell you the price? At this point it's not a tip, it's an additional fee for an added request. The tip is for later, depending on how you feel about how well she performed. Personally, I think the word "tip" is used too loosely, and guys get the wrong idea about what it means. The girls use this word incorrectly too. It's not a tip if she won't do something without it. It's a fee. And the girl is not entitled to a tip in all cases. Expecting or demanding a "massage tip" is bogus too. The gate fee paid for the massage. Hope she got a cut, but that's not your problem. Tips are up to the customer. However, as a monger, if you want more than a massage, just pay for it and don't take it personal. Chances are, if you pay for the extras, she won't even ask for a tip later. It's Sunday, and I feel like a sermon. Lol 
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December 2nd, 2013
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Well you can't call it a fee cause that's illegal
 I think part of it is the Asian culture doesn't embrace tipping and some of them don't understand that some pussy is worth more than others The worst is the fobby and flabby gals at the cheap places that expect/ask for 40 but they really ain't worth it. Overpaying by 10 or 20 ain't a ripoff....I just don't go back if it is not a good value,,,the times I've felt ripped off is at the apts when I've paid 180-200 and gotten really shit service.
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December 3rd, 2013
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December 3rd, 2013
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FS girls get 100 min basically. If they don't ask for it up front and you drop them 40 or 60 you will likely have a crazed asian bitch on your hands. Hj girls can negotiate for alot more. I have been told by a few HJ girls that guys will offer extreme amounts of money for bj and fs. The girls who stand their ground really do have incredible will. I saw a young girl for awhile who was strictly HJ. She was sweet, loyal, and super smart. One night when we were talking honestly. She broke down and confessed that she gave a customer a CBJ on two occasions. She said he was a very nice old guy. He offered her 300 and she said she really needed the money for school. This girl was as innocent as massage girls go. And it made me wonder how many young HJ and legit girls have the same secret. I proceded to joke about it and make light of it. Told her it was no big deal. But i asked her what the difference was between a bj with him and one with me. She said with him she could not wait for it to end, but with me she wanted it to last forever. I damn near cried, I'm serious. It's wise to realize these girls are young and have emotions. We mongers do what we do. But we should always try our best to be kind.
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#5
December 3rd, 2013
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Most of the time I pay when the deed is done.
One time she asked me to get it before because she has been stiffed. I really did not care too much. Quote:
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#6
December 4th, 2013
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The downside to pay before play is the legal issue. In a AMP that is more of a risk for the girls. I think they would prefer to get paid after the fact, but I am sure they have all been stiffed.
I would like to think that the mongers on this site are more educated and sympathetic to these girls issues. But I often see mongers write reviews and brag about pressuring the girls for service and then leaving a shit tip. Maybe a HE girl and the monger wants all clothes off, FIV, etc. and then leaves $30.
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December 4th, 2013
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#8
December 4th, 2013
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Yawn, i believe we are only talking about the first time with a girl yah? I know its a buzz kill, but give a gal some slack! If you ever got stiffed for FS, wouldnt you ask up front? On the second visit, assuming she passed the repeat clause, its a no brainer, either she trusts you, or have the cash in hand, before the little guy looses interest. Now if its only a HJ, i would be a little pissed, cause if she gets stiffed once in awhile, its the nature of the beast and really her tip can and should vary from $30-$60 depending on access. I once tipped $25 for a jackhammer job that bruised little alohas crown...each to his own. I have this really good BBBJ girl that I always hand her my tip in the beginning and she always consistantly delivers, others have gotten much more with larger tips, but we both seem content with our arrangement...
And btw @ chance, if a cop ever should come in and you have money and a condom on the table or sticking out in sight, kiss your ass goodbye. They will have reasonable cause for soliciting prostitution.
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#9
December 4th, 2013
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As some brothers have pointed out, the legal issue complicates things. Both mongers and providers have to be careful about 5-0. A massage parlor is ostensibly a place of business, legitimate business, open to the public. Can't just put up a price list for "extras" on the wall like at Burger King. While in the end, it all costs about the same: $140 straight up for an escort or AAMP girl, $40 gate fee and a $100 "tip" for the FS girl in a massage parlor, the rules are slightly different. As long as we are committed to paying the reasonable price for the expected service, it shouldn't really matter at what point we pony up the dough. A good fuck and a shitty fuck are both still fucks, same as with a good escort or a bad one. A fuck is what we're paying for. If she won't do the act without it, it's a fee. It's not a "tip," even if both the girl and the monger call it one.
I agree that leaving money out or displaying a condom would be difficult to explain if the Bronze appears on the scene. Probably the best way to ensure the girl in the room is not drawing a government paycheck is to have her massage you before there's any talk or suggestion of "extras." Currently, there is not a female fuzz anywhere who will touch your pervy body in any way short of slapping the cuffs on you. If she won't massage you and only wants to talk "extras," there's a good chance she's going to be reading you your rights if you take the bait. Once she's slathering on the oil it's probably safe to make any kind of proposition. No need to be coy at that point. Now, I say "probably," because you never know when the cops will try to change the rules. The rules of years gone by have been twisted beyond all recognition, so that the cops can entrap or imply intent from almost anything. Ours is a legal system of case law, meaning if one judge lets the cops get away with some BS, it sets a precedent for later. Who knows, perhaps one day cops may be able to actually fuck somebody without it being entrapment or prostitution (on their part). We're headed to a Police State anyway.
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#10
December 5th, 2013
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Aloha. You need to read better. A solid monger knows the difference between HJ and FS parlors. And anyone on this site is either a solid monger or learning. Leaving cash out is not bust in itself if the fuzz rolls in on an HJ place. If that happens you have way more to worry about than a few twenties peeking out. In regard to a condom, an experienced hobbiest would know when and where to do that. That's why I broached the idea; simply to help those who would seek to become better at their hobby. Then again, why do you think I take the moniker "Chance"? A hui ho ka ko ahloha
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