ATF Busted

[asiansam]

Originally Posted by ponocha

I generally respect cops, but when it comes to this hobby the cops that work in this area are real jerks. Here is something that happened to me. I drive a white lexus and I went to a MP and parked next to a car exactly like mine. I went into the MP and asked for my ATF and she was not in so I left. I drove down the street and about two blocks later I was pulled over by a cop and asked to step out, then another cop comes by in an unmarked cars... the black and white leaves and the plain clothes cops ask me questions..where were you and and what did you do. I told him I was going home work and he proceeds to call me a lair and that he knows I was at the MP. I asked him what this was all about and he tells me....just tell me what you got a HJ , BJ, or sex and I let you go home...WTF .... I told him ...do you want to me make something up and you will let me go? He said no..I want to know the truth and I will let you go....I told him I was passing by and just wanted massage info and I was only in the place for 3 minutes so how can anything happen... He told me he was going to his car to look at the video to his car and if I wa slying I was going to jail....... WTF..not sure if he really looked at a video, but when he came back he said I could go..... he never fucking apologized or any of that shit. WTF...what a waste of tax payer money

Thanks for the heads up and reminder of what can happen out there. We should all prepare ourselves for the possibility of being stopped and intimidated into making a statement of some kind.

[un camacho]

You have to be firm, and not coerced into admitting anything. As you said these are the worst of the worst of the LE, and often times they're criminals.
There was a nice write up by others on how to best proceed in cases like that. I'll try to locate that essay, and maybe put a sticky on it.

[asiansam]

Originally Posted by camp

You have to be firm, and not coerced into admitting anything. As you said these are the worst of the worst of the LE, and often times they're criminals.
There was a nice write up by others on how to best proceed in cases like that. I'll try to locate that essay, and maybe put a sticky on it.

I would highly recommend going to Youtube and searching under something like "what to do if stopped by police." There are a lot of informative videos available. The Number One course of action I would recommend in these situations is to be polite and respectful, but exercise your right to remain silent. You don't have to be actually under arrest to invoke that right, and you can't be arrested for invoking it. You also do not need to consent to a search of yourself or your vehicle (but do not resist if they do it anyway - just remember the details for later). Don't lie to the police, just don't answer their questions. However, it is not advisable to intentionally antagonize a cop on the street, even if you think you're right and he's just being an asshole. Along those lines, don't argue with a cop either. You won't win. If he chooses, he has a lot of ways to make your life miserable that you can do nothing about. Check out the Youtube videos!

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by asiansam

We should all prepare ourselves for the possibility of being stopped and intimidated into making a statement of some kind.

You have the right to film law enforcement in California. Exercise those rights. Take this free ACLU phone app with you and film the cops for accountability.

Record encounters with LE and a copy will be sent automatically to the ACLU, even if the cops take or destroy your phone. Report to the ACLU with a description of the incident. Know Your Rights so you know what to do during a LE encounter.


https://www.mobilejusticeca.org

video ----->

https://www.mobilejusticeca.org/how-it-works/


https://www.mobilejusticeca.org/wp-c...EVIEW-LINK.pdf

[Hugh G. Rexion]

True story I got pulled over for DUI this weekend....knowledge is key as I was detained and let go but I wasn't shit faced drunk either. They had body cameras on and I started my defense immediately. Oh and they lied like crazy and I called them out on it.

[asiansam]

Originally Posted by Hugh G. Rexion

True story I got pulled over for DUI this weekend....knowledge is key as I was detained and let go but I wasn't shit faced drunk either. They had body cameras on and I started my defense immediately. Oh and they lied like crazy and I called them out on it.

Please fill your brothers in on how it went down and how you dealt with it.

[Hugh G. Rexion]

I refused to do the field sobriety test and field breathalyzer test. They asked me to get out of the car and they said we are going to give you these tests and I said "uh no you aren't". It was a bit awkward to tell them that but I tried to be polite and I cited my constitutional rights. I knew i wasnt drunk so I decided I would stall them as long as I could until they arrested me and hauled me back to the station and then I thought it might make the difference and I for sure be further under .08 but I really wasnt up to speed on how to defend a DUI stop but all I remembered from my internet readings was that the breathalyzer was not accurate and you should not do it no matter what.

I had no idea how to estimate my actual blood alcohol level at the time but later looking at the chart I think I was only .03-.05ish but i was in the sun and had nothing but 5 beers and no water in the last 5-6 hours and I was tired and i was not interested in getting my alcohol level tested. So after my refusal they started in with the implied consent laws and then I said well fuck it and I told them I would consent to have my blood drawn but i was really just trying avoid the breathalyzer. I didnt realize at the time that there was a difference between a breath field test and the test at the station. The field test result is not even admissable in court but they use it to establish probable cause to arrest you(i found this out today) So they spent 15-20 minutes trying to convince me to blow into their stupid field device and I mostly tried to keep quiet and only spoke up when it was to my point. At one point I told them point blank I didnt believe one word they were saying to me cause it was obvious that they were just trying trick me and I actually had somewhat of an upper hand cause their arguments to do the breathalyzer were really stupid and I stuck with wanting the blood test cause it was weird that they didnt seem to want to do it and I picked up on that. They actually explained the reasons it wasnt practical to do the blood and that it was their decision which test to give me. I realize now that the blood test was not an option yet because they first needed probable cause to arrest me and the only way they were going to get it is if I blew in the field device.


So basically I stood my ground and fought them to a stalemate and then the older cop asked me about my job and said well what exactly do you do and it was a softball question that I immediately rattled off a really technical answer and at that point they gave up cause I wasn't slurring my speech and all this was being recorded on a body camera.

This was in AZ and it is definitely an abbreviated version.

[asiansam]

Originally Posted by Hugh G. Rexion

I refused to do the field sobriety test and field breathalyzer test. They asked me to get out of the car and they said we are going to give you these tests and I said "uh no you aren't". It was a bit awkward to tell them that but I tried to be polite and I cited my constitutional rights. I knew i wasnt drunk so I decided I would stall them as long as I could until they arrested me and hauled me back to the station and then I thought it might make the difference and I for sure be further under .08 but I really wasnt up to speed on how to defend a DUI stop but all I remembered from my internet readings was that the breathalyzer was not accurate and you should not do it no matter what.

I had no idea how to estimate my actual blood alcohol level at the time but later looking at the chart I think I was only .03-.05ish but i was in the sun and had nothing but 5 beers and no water in the last 5-6 hours and I was tired and i was not interested in getting my alcohol level tested. So after my refusal they started in with the implied consent laws and then I said well fuck it and I told them I would consent to have my blood drawn but i was really just trying avoid the breathalyzer. I didnt realize at the time that there was a difference between a breath field test and the test at the station. The field test result is not even admissable in court but they use it to establish probable cause to arrest you(i found this out today) So they spent 15-20 minutes trying to convince me to blow into their stupid field device and I mostly tried to keep quiet and only spoke up when it was to my point. At one point I told them point blank I didnt believe one word they were saying to me cause it was obvious that they were just trying trick me and I actually had somewhat of an upper hand cause their arguments to do the breathalyzer were really stupid and I stuck with wanting the blood test cause it was weird that they didnt seem to want to do it and I picked up on that. They actually explained the reasons it wasnt practical to do the blood and that it was their decision which test to give me. I realize now that the blood test was not an option yet because they first needed probable cause to arrest me and the only way they were going to get it is if I blew in the field device.


So basically I stood my ground and fought them to a stalemate and then the older cop asked me about my job and said well what exactly do you do and it was a softball question that I immediately rattled off a really technical answer and at that point they gave up cause I wasn't slurring my speech and all this was being recorded on a body camera.

This was in AZ and it is definitely an abbreviated version.

Thanks for sharing. Shows how effective standing up for yourself while remaining calm and non-belligerent can be when confronted by John Law. For most of us, it would be a good idea to mentally play out scenarios ahead of time, so we don't have to try to wing it and figure out fast what to do and say during what is obviously a very stressful and intimidating situation.

[DMan5000]

Originally Posted by asiansam

Why does he need to dump her? Clearly, she should move her operation, but no reason for him to give her the old "heave ho" (pardon the pun).

It's just a personal safety precaution I take to avoid LE. Like any good monger, I always keep a nice steady supply of independent providers/AMPs to fallback on in case of an emergency.

[ReeperBahn]

The Newport Beach pee dee, and the OCDA will go to trial, even for a shitty misdemeanor. They have plenty of time and resources. It's hard to win if accused. They key is, will the DA file the case?
Tell your ATF to consult with attorney's, but don't pay yet, until she is certain the case won't get dropped. Or if she gets a letter from the DA saying they are charging her, she must hire an attorney right away.
A few years ago, I was arrested for some total bullshit felonies, and I was concerned and hired an attorney. Spent 13K. Then, when I went to court, my case wasn't on the docket. The DA didn't have enough evidence. So I basically wasted 13G, when I could have waited if there would be a preliminary hearing. But I got lucky the cops arrested me for charges they didn't know much about. And they fucking over charged me.