Guys with no "Game" part 2

[sua gua]

On the old forum I wrote about the guys who go into a spa or whatever and have to fight for what they want and many times, especially the first time, dont get any play.

Well, Im starting it up again. The last 2 weeks I have visited some "friends" and some new "friends" and I was talking to them about biz and customers.

To a T, they were talking about the behavior of mongers lately. They said that many of the mongers dont talk nice to them anymore, and they are all hands and try to pull off anything they are wearing. It really upset some of the girls as they really dont want to do that stuff, especially the first time.

Heres my point to all this...My level of service is as good now as it has ever been. I think I want to thank all you assholes out there who dont know how to treat a women, wheather a spa girl, or any girl you may try use your "charm" anywhere and strike out way to much.

I write this pissed off because many of these girls are my friends, and I guess I am very old fashioned, because I treat all of them very kindly and it pays off HUGE in the long run. 3 times in the last 14 days or so, I had a new girl, and all 3 performed well for me, and they swore it was because they liked the way I treated them. One was an owner, my first time with her, and she is very cautious, and her comment was that she liked the way I talked to her, and the way I didnt pressure her into anything. There is more to this but I dont want to type anymore.

Of course we can discuss this further if you care to, and I would love to hear pros and cons either way about this, But to those who treat the girls bad, keep it up please, you make it so easy for guys like me and 1drmain, E, Tsita, and other guys who know what it takes to get special service and dont pay for it many many times.
IT IS SO FUCKING EASY!!!

[punisher4124]

I am all ears if you dont mind i too try to respect the providers not for a freebie but to get better service i never have attempted for a freebie whats your secret

[sua gua]

There is no secret.
Have you ever walked into a bar, or became familiar with a bartender and you liked each other and one day she started giving you 'specials'.
It is no different with these girls. Get them to like you the way you try to get a girl to like you if she worked at any job any where. It is a different biz they are in, but THEY ARE STILL GIRLS!
I have been in the front of spas talking with girls and when some mongers walk in, there head is down, shoulders hunched up like they are committing a crime. The girls can read you like a fucking childrens book. They know what type of guy you are before you even get in the room.
I will tell you this much, I walk in like I am in charge, total confidence,and wheather you believe it or not,the girls love strength and I try to exude that.
You obviously also have to be able to communicate with them as with all women. Treat them as you would your wife or gf when you first met them. Commom courtesy. Real simple.
I will tell you this, my guy 1drmain is the same as me and he scores too.
Right now I go to 4 houses to get massages from. Thats right 4! The most I pay them if I pay them is $70. That is with various finishes btw. All of them say at the end that they dont want me to pay them money. but I do most of the time. Sometimes they flat out refuse to take money because "we are such good friends".
This is the truth. Become their great friend with some charm and a little time, good things happen.
SCHOOLS OVER FOR THIS MONTH!

[mahalo21]

SG, not that i am disagreeing with you, but there is not necessarily a one size fits all program. Kindness is a good idea, but friendship is different for different people. Too many variables for friends with benefits. Age, money, SO, time, to name a few. I do agree that too many mongers are forgetting that these gals are people too! Not to mention they really dont want to get fired or go to jail!

[deizel5]

I always try to treat these girls with respect. I try to move at their pace, and for the ones I really like sometimes I'll bring them a flower or bottle of wine or something, especially around Christmas or on their birthday if they shared that with me.

[rubrubrub]

i agree with sg 100%... although, myself, I'm not interested in building friendships - i realize that this has a particular cost - i won't get the kind of service that comes along with a relationship like that... no freebies, no specials, etc...

i am fine with that...

that being said, however, does not excuse myself or anyone else from treating the girls respectfully, professionally, and above all as human beings... even just this much - which i think is just common sense & decency - will get you very far today... unfortunately for all of us, it is the exception not the rule... it is no wonder that service levels overall in this city pretty much suck ass compared to other cities.

[sua gua]

i agree with sg 100%... although, myself, I'm not interested in building friendships - i realize that this has a particular cost - i won't get the kind of service that comes along with a relationship like that... no freebies, no specials, etc...

i am fine with that...

that being said, however, does not excuse myself or anyone else from treating the girls respectfully, professionally, and above all as human beings... even just this much - which i think is just common sense & decency - will get you very far today... unfortunately for all of us, it is the exception not the rule... it is no wonder that service levels overall in this city pretty much suck ass compared to other cities.


You are on the money My Friend. You would be amazed at how many mongers dont know wtf you just said because they are incapable of having any game/play/interaction with women anywhere, especially PFP girls.
To this day I just shake my head when I hear what the girls tell me as far as the way some mongers try to relate whatever to them for the service they want. Some of it is sickening, and mongers wonder why the girls are cautious when we go in as a new customer and the girls are scared/cautious, and we wonder why.
Could it be that the last customer wanted to piss or watch her take a shit on him, or he just tried to slap her around a little for his own pleasure?
Thats correct guys, this stuff happens to these girls, and so much more.
I dont say this to anyone with a serious fetish, but when you get physical to get what you think you might get, you are way off base. I know most of you dont do anything close to that, and some probably think I am lying, but Im not.

[sua gua]

I was at a local legit Spa and the walls are very thin. I was listening to a Middle Eastern Monger, try to get the legit therapist to take care of "His Little Friend". He must habe asked her 7-8 times and she said no, and was getting irritated from the tone of her voice. The only reason I was there was because I had some serious back pain, and needed a good massage. He was making deep, heavy, loud kissing sounds to her which made me want to throw up, and you could hear her moving away from him and he kept telling her that he only wanted to touch her sweet boobs.
It was comical for me, but not the girl as she came in later and we talked and I aksed her what he did, and she showed me, and then to my surprise, helped me more then I thought. If only the stupid fool would have been nice to her, and showed a little respect, I think maybe he could have done better, if not this time then next. She told me she will never touch him "there" if he ever came in again.
FYI!

[OPRFIllini]

SG I am in 100% agreement with you. It really is simple fellow mongers: follow the Golden Rule - do unto others as you would want others to do unto you - and you'll more times than not have good experiences at AMPs. In other words, treating the ladies with respect and dignity does go a long way in how future services from them will be. For example, don't go boob-grabbing right after she starts the massage, especially if it's your first time at a new place. That can only mean trouble. Just relax and enjoy the massage, then later you can use subtle hints like a gentle rub of her legs and making ahhing sounds when she massages certain areas. If she doesn't complain (as a matter of fact if she starts smiling and giggling) you're in good shape in terms of getting extras. And if all she offers for extras is a HJ, take it, don't be pushy and try to get something more. The more you see a provider and respect that provider, the better your service will be. Thanks SG!

[Tigertime1]

SG
Don't you ever get tired of trying to teach those fuckin idiots how to be real men? This must be the 100th time you have ranted to them and they will never get it. They are just too stupid or just a deep down asshole.
They think this is the right way to treat another person and they will never change.
Losers are losers and they always will be.
It sickens me as well because these are girls who have a life outside of the parlors and they have to put up with these losers and take it home with them. Think about what they talk about to the other girls?????? What sickos these guys are and how they wish they would probably die and go away. BAD KARMA BIG TIME.

Keep up the good work but I have given up trying to talk about how to treat another person cause they ain't gonna ever learn.

It is better for us and fuck 'em. They will get their just dues eventually.

[needasianspinner]

Sometimes I read reviews that go "I was able to pull down her shorts and finger her briefly before she pulled away" or "I kept trying to get my hand in her shirt but she didn't want to". Try that anywhere else and everyone agrees it is criminal behavior. These girls deserve the same respect you give anyone else.
If they want to play, great. If they don't want to play, then respect that and don't act like an animal.

[mahalo21]

There are three problems that I see here...

1. We live in an entitled world and when the Men push, sometimes they are rewarded
2. The girls often need the tips worse than their dignity
3. Too many assholes cant spell RESPECT if their life depended on it.

I have a few friends that are providers and have their personl limits, but when pushed will go to those limits on a first visit with an asshole...go figure! I guess you can shake off the siime of an asshole. Sadly, it is a numbers game!

[sua gua]

There are three problems that I see here...

1. We live in an entitled world and when the Men push, sometimes they are rewarded
2. The girls often need the tips worse than their dignity
3. Too many assholes cant spell RESPECT if their life depended on it.

I have a few friends that are providers and have their personl limits, but when pushed will go to those limits on a first visit with an asshole...go figure! I guess you can shake off the siime of an asshole. Sadly, it is a numbers game!
I think #2 is more the case when one of them has to put up with a high roller fuckhead monger who flashes big cash at them.

[redskin]

I don't get forcing anyone to do something they really are not comfortable with....it just isn't a good experience for the provider or me.... mutual respect just makes the experience a win-win....in my opinion ... seems to be pretty straight forward for me...i don't understand coming into this with any thing but this attitude....

[sleddog]

When I first started going to AMPs in the early 90's (I think t was actually 1991), I was frequenting the old VIP spa on Cumberland. I would bring a box of candy every time I went there and tell the girls to share it. I soon became known as "Candy Man". For four years I received VIP treatment with lots of extras because of the candy. Even new girls who had not seen me before knew who I was when I showed up with the candy. I cannot tell you how many "extras" I got over the years through this and also treating the girls with respect and showing a sense of humor. Years later I still encounter girls at other AMPs who remember me or know about "Candy Man".

[luvbodywork]

I do also show up with small gifts from time to time and it does go a long way. Everyone appreciates being thought about and remembered in a nice way. It does show a little respect also.

[mahalo21]

Dont forget the mms!

You crack the heart of the gate keeper and you have the keys to the kingdom...

I use to bring a sleeve of prov1's to this one olg kgal, she took good care of me in the selection process!

[OPRFIllini]

Sometimes I read reviews that go "I was able to pull down her shorts and finger her briefly before she pulled away" or "I kept trying to get my hand in her shirt but she didn't want to". Try that anywhere else and everyone agrees it is criminal behavior. These girls deserve the same respect you give anyone else.
If they want to play, great. If they don't want to play, then respect that and don't act like an animal.

That's really the bottom line. No matter how many sly tricks you use like rubbing the girl's legs while she's massaging your back or placing money on her table, if she doesn't want to do extras there's nothing you can do to force her. Don't push the issue when she says 'no' and let it be. Believe it or not, chances are when she enters the room to begin the massage, she'll know within the 1st few minutes whether or not to provide extras to you. If you show her respect from the get-go, you'll likely be rewarded but if you come off like a jerk you'll be going home disappointed.

[sua gua]

Well, once again I wil bring up this thread for those that think that treating the girls like dirt is "OK"
A girl called me today and told me a Monger came in and asked her a bunch of extras that she is not known for because she wont do them. The Piece of shit, offered her a bunch of money for things and she shut him down and asked him to just relax and she would provide her regular standard service, which is very good anyway. Well Mr Fuckhead threw the towel at her and told her that he gets this service, and that service at other spas that he mentioned to her, and she basically told him to leave and she would give him his money back. He told her to fuck off, and no tip.
She is a little woman and the guy was not a little person, and he scared her.
Little does the Fuckhead know, but she has cameras in the waiting and paying area along with the outside where you can see the cars parked on the street.
My message to 'Holmes" is this.....Thanks Brother, you made me an even closer friend today as she was very happy with me, as I soothed and calmed her down. She has my # and the number of a couple of other Mongers who live close by who will help her if she needs help with that or other Fuckheads again.

WTF is really wrong with some of you guys? I mean really? Are you really that bad with women that you have to treat them badly? Do you have Mommy issues that you hate all women?

[rrobb]

Amen to that

[dmichaels65]

Agree. The girls will treat you nice if you treat them the same.

[earnhardt]

SG you are right on brother. The other day I spent sometime at a spa and helped out a girl with an idiot. He is such a scumbag. Hassling all three girls and scaring them. Stopped by the other day and we talked fro about 90 mins. I told her to call the cops the next time he comes in. Told her to just tell the cops that he is causing a scene and trouble. I have been to many places many times and have not left happy but I don't make a scene or trouble. Just move on to another spa. There are many out there.

[MPkid]

You are on the money My Friend. You would be amazed at how many mongers dont know wtf you just said because they are incapable of having any game/play/interaction with women anywhere, especially PFP girls.
To this day I just shake my head when I hear what the girls tell me as far as the way some mongers try to relate whatever to them for the service they want. Some of it is sickening, and mongers wonder why the girls are cautious when we go in as a new customer and the girls are scared/cautious, and we wonder why.
Could it be that the last customer wanted to piss or watch her take a shit on him, or he just tried to slap her around a little for his own pleasure?
Thats correct guys, this stuff happens to these girls, and so much more.
I dont say this to anyone with a serious fetish, but when you get physical to get what you think you might get, you are way off base. I know most of you dont do anything close to that, and some probably think I am lying, but Im not.

I think the people that go to MP's are no different than the regular population. Some have game and know right from wrong and other do not. Some guys think if a girl is doing something sexual for money she doesn't need to be treated like a girl that does not. If you have game or even basic social skills you will go much farther than the guys that don't. (inside and outside of this hobby) Guys without game will not get laid inside or outside the MP world. Most people have the mistaken notion that because we like go to the MP's that we can't get laid otherwise. Most of us have wives, GF's or can get plenty of pussy with regular girls but prefer the MP for less hassle and drama that goes on with getting square girls to fuck. It says a lot about someone's character that can't get a MP girl to give him extras.

[OPRFIllini]

Well said as always Sua Gua.