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Exclamation A note on where the AMP scene is heading...

As everyone is well aware of, the recent high visibility to the real but extremely exaggerated "human trafficking" issue has resulted in increased pressure on AMPs as well as AAMP/escort activity as well. In a sense the world of mongering is a victim of its own success, and in a way boards such as MPR, which have been an asset to many of us in exchanging information, have also helped make it too easy for both LE and self-appointed activists to target and take down many of the more popular and higher visibility establishments.

Some hobbyists are asking if this means that your friendly neighborhood AMP is going the way of the rotary telephone or the fax, but I can't see where an entire community of providers is suddenly going to shut down and go away. What I DO see is a renewed emphasis on security and discretion among AMP owners who are in effect lowering their profiles to function in an essentially "Prohibition" environment.

Please allow me to offer an example of what I am trying to get at above. A quite well-known MILF of note in the LA metropolitan area who used to offer happy endings left and right over the last year has allegedly gone "legit" to the point where many former recipients of her services now grumble openly in reviews of not receiving extras. She no longer runs her suggestive CL or BP ads displaying her best assets, and her ads now suggest she's more of a "day spa" operation catering towards soccer moms who also want facials (not the type you're thinking of, sickos... LOL) and aromatherapy and other New-Age type treatments. Her website suggests that her primary clientele are now women, and has even hired at least one male of decidedly non-heterosexual orientation to give that vibe to casual visitors. However, she still does offer at least happy endings to select discreet regulars, and has recently leased another unit in her complex, a little cozy medical/professional building on a tree-lined suburban street. She had had major renovations over the last few months and gave me a little tour the other day. Her addition includes a nice little suite with slate tiles, a nice-sized jacuzzi that can hold 4 adults with a big screen TV, what appears to be a wet bar, multiple showers and various rooms off to the sides. She says it's her little "party suite" she can rent in the evenings, and mentions that she can "get more privacy" away from her employees and regular walk-in customers. I kid her a bit about the big jacuzzi and asked if she comes with party suite rental. She laughed a bit and insisted no, but after a nice 90 minute session with her (where she was convinced to provide services above and beyond her normal known offerings, albeit for a considerable donation), she mentioned that we could perhaps get together in the hot tub some time when the establishment was closed for the night, and the other employers weren't around. Now I ask you if that sounds like someone who is going legit...
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As everyone is well aware of, the recent high visibility to the real but extremely exaggerated "human trafficking" issue has resulted in increased pressure on AMPs as well as AAMP/escort activity as well. In a sense the world of mongering is a victim of its own success, and in a way boards such as MPR, which have been an asset to many of us in exchanging information, have also helped make it too easy for both LE and self-appointed activists to target and take down many of the more popular and higher visibility establishments.

Some hobbyists are asking if this means that your friendly neighborhood AMP is going the way of the rotary telephone or the fax, but I can't see where an entire community of providers is suddenly going to shut down and go away. What I DO see is a renewed emphasis on security and discretion among AMP owners who are in effect lowering their profiles to function in an essentially "Prohibition" environment.

Please allow me to offer an example of what I am trying to get at above. A quite well-known MILF of note in the LA metropolitan area who used to offer happy endings left and right over the last year has allegedly gone "legit" to the point where many former recipients of her services now grumble openly in reviews of not receiving extras. She no longer runs her suggestive CL or BP ads displaying her best assets, and her ads now suggest she's more of a "day spa" operation catering towards soccer moms who also want facials (not the type you're thinking of, sickos... LOL) and aromatherapy and other New-Age type treatments. Her website suggests that her primary clientele are now women, and has even hired at least one male of decidedly non-heterosexual orientation to give that vibe to casual visitors. However, she still does offer at least happy endings to select discreet regulars, and has recently leased another unit in her complex, a little cozy medical/professional building on a tree-lined suburban street. She had had major renovations over the last few months and gave me a little tour the other day. Her addition includes a nice little suite with slate tiles, a nice-sized jacuzzi that can hold 4 adults with a big screen TV, what appears to be a wet bar, multiple showers and various rooms off to the sides. She says it's her little "party suite" she can rent in the evenings, and mentions that she can "get more privacy" away from her employees and regular walk-in customers. I kid her a bit about the big jacuzzi and asked if she comes with party suite rental. She laughed a bit and insisted no, but after a nice 90 minute session with her (where she was convinced to provide services above and beyond her normal known offerings, albeit for a considerable donation), she mentioned that we could perhaps get together in the hot tub some time when the establishment was closed for the night, and the other employers weren't around. Now I ask you if that sounds like someone who is going legit...
That does not sound legit at all but she obviously has a desire to hide in plain site and this gives her the chance to size up clients for some she would prefer to help her have more thorough fun in her controlled environment at her pleasure when she wants it. I imagine that as long as her business generates enough to be profitable and keep her employees working she may have the best of both. As far as the soccer moms being the predominant client, that would give her support and cover if it is true, and she has cover if it is an advertising fantasy. If some soccer moms make her venue a regular stop there would be support from them if any bad rumors were to start. Sounds like a smart lady who has her ducks in a row and definitely likes to be taken care of as in the "after hours" fun discussed. Everybody has to have their pipes cleaned including her, so you may have a winner if you are the invitee for late night fun, no?
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....A quite well-known MILF of note in the LA metropolitan area ...
Man, I want to blurt out the name, but I just know that would defeat the purpose and spirit of your post.

As to your point about the hobby itself. I have to agree on your premise. The Internet works both ways, and definitely to our detriment. I don't post regular reviews for, partly, that reason...albeit, this site hasn't encouraged me much these days. (see other Threads on that matter.)

On that note, I wonder what will change? How will Providers advertise? How will Mongers do research? Open source data, like found here at MPR, does have it's problems. I don't doubt for a second that LE is reading this thread right now. If I had to guess at an instant, yet partial, solution...the AMPs have to go low key. Take the Neon OPEN sign out of the window. Move from the store front strip malls, and get away from the sidewalk/parking lot visibility. Basically, keep eyes off the place unless you are looking for it. I don't know...IMHO.
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Funny I just watched the movie Fight Club this weekend. This has a familiar ring to it...the first rule of fight club is we dont talk about fight club. But what happens is that everyone talks about fight club. Thus the second rule of fight club is we dont talk about fight club.

The party suite sounds like a swingers club type of thing...nice touch would like to see that
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From the Article:
"Further investigation by officers revealed the existence of online reviews in which various customers had described in detail the sexual services they had allegedly received at the massage parlor."
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The internet is changing everything. It kills local stores, jobs, quality of life, and our hobby.
What looked like endless possibilities 20 years ago, is proving now to be just the opposite...
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That's because nobody knows the importance of keeping their mouth shut. I hate the idea of reviews with details, time place name acts, because it may be useful to the guys who know how to be discreet but it means exposing details that can be used to bring it all down. If you want to keep LE out of your business then don't make it any easier for them to gather their intel from a web site than gathering it by having to do a real and expensive investigation.

But we live in a world of greed where reviews are currency to web sites. It's a way to get paying members. Then one site competes against another. Then it becomes a broadly occurring phenomena with way too many sites. Then the dumb people show up pouring their own blabbering mouths into the information pool.

Then you get the news outlets making stories out of all of it. You get those in the deep mix of it writing titillating books to cash out. Then the TV shows and movies about it - I don't mean just the idea of it but actual representations of what's going on, where to find it, and even more idiots show up.

Force it all underground again. Make everyone keep their traps shut. Put together underground web sites and overload the detailed "review" sites with denial-of-service attacks to get them off the radar and guide everyone to the underground scene. No sharing of specific info, but a place to discuss the generalities and process. Keep the names & places out of it. Who wants the dummies having any easy advantage to all this anyway? Make everyone work for the info. It's either that or completely legalize it all which we all know will never happen.
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That's because nobody knows the importance of keeping their mouth shut. I hate the idea of reviews with details, time place name acts, because it may be useful to the guys who know how to be discreet but it means exposing details that can be used to bring it all down. If you want to keep LE out of your business then don't make it any easier for them to gather their intel from a web site than gathering it by having to do a real and expensive investigation.

Then the dumb people show up pouring their own blabbering mouths into the information pool.

Force it all underground again. Make everyone keep their traps shut. Put together underground web sites and overload the detailed "review" sites with denial-of-service attacks to get them off the radar and guide everyone to the underground scene. No sharing of specific info, but a place to discuss the generalities and process. Keep the names & places out of it.
the reality is AMPs have been and they continue to be targets of LE regardless of any reviews on any particular site. those horses left the barn years ago. when you attempt to run AMPs out of retail commercial locations that are very obviously not legit stores you're asking for trouble. you're dealing with zoning and many ordinance issues on public premises. it's mostly other neighboring legit store owners watching what's going on then complaining to Landlord's, property managers, LE, the Mayor, the City Manager, and City Council members. when there are 40 to 50 AMPs all of a sudden opening up in one small town, the city isn't stupid that all of those stores are legit. there are numerous other obvious give aways just the way the AMPs are physically laid out compared to legit stores. the private residence locations with a just a few girls working there thru an agency or a booker or just the indie girl by herself continue to operate without much attention and they stay under the radar and rarely get noticed by LE. most AMPs in commercial retail centers have a big fat bulls eye on their front door and they are very easy LE targets and of course we all know that's where all of the alleged epidemic of sex trafficking is taking place. there will always be review sites and details shared on sites. AMPs are now synonymous with migrant women victims and sex trafficking.
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Interesting observations from both Obsessive and Libertine. The fatal flaw with any illegal business is that it needs to attract customers, and those efforts make the business vulnerable to LE. Conventional "word of mouth" doesn't produce the volume needed to make a sex operation viable, so signage and/or advertising is needed, both of which can alert LE. While LE does operate more on a complaint/response cycle, they also work proactively and go after targets they select from information they acquire. The internet unfortunately makes getting that information much easier for them. They don't even have to push away from the donut table and waddle down to the corner newsrack to pick up a Weekly newspaper. They can munch away and scroll through the multitude of ads online, and also reviews.

Likewise, news outlet reporters now also have a much easier way of finding leads for titillating stories to publish, and "activists" and politicians can make hay from what is available online. All of which brings more unwanted attention to our hobby, which generates more "outrage" and even greater scrutiny from LE.

As stated, the horses are out of the barn, and no matter what we do, review sites are not going away. Providers will still be vulnerable because of that, even if some of us band together and form private groups for sharing intel, or just email the mongers we know personally. We can be our own worst enemies sometimes, from blabby reviews to thoughtless mongers carelessly tossing used condoms into the parking lot (the ones they promised the girl they would get rid of discreetly), loud and boisterous behavior, or knocking on the wrong door at an AAMP location. We should continue to be discreet, but know that there will always those who will not be.
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