Ruined a Non-Pro's Fantasy

[WetWillie]

I'm just not in agreement with the basic concept. I would much rather pay $200 for an unstructured, congenial session with a non-pro than $140 with an assembly line encounter with an Asian hottie I have to spend 30-45 minutes driving to see in SGV. Yes, I'm on the West side. No, I don't see women as pieces of meat. Yes, I like the idea of maybe having a post-coital conversation with a 40 year old in the biz.

I once had a friend with the worst combination of Ashkenazi features imaginable. But she was stunningly smart and seduced me with her wit. And the sex was stellar. And we had great conversations after... and still do, 20 years later, as she remained a friend.

I just think there is more than one type of encounter possible. And some of my best have been non-pro.

[ExecutiveVIP]

Originally Posted by Deezguy

She's from the west side and apologies to any of your mongers from the west side, I know a couple of you, some individuals from that area have this idea that they are more important than anybody else around.

I used to work in the West Side and couldn't wait to get the fuck out of that area full of fu-fu Prius driving Vaccine Deniers. I remember going to the local branch of a high-end gym I have membership to. I figured I might as well work out there after work while traffic died down have a more pleasant commute home. Needless to say, I chose rush-hour 10 FWY traffic over spending time with those self-important west side winnies.

Anyways, $200 was the going rate for a girl to come over to your place (keep in mind this is fresh pussy delivery straight to your home). That's what I would pay all the craigslist girls I used to catch with my ads back when I was single. Some of the most amazing experiences were from those non-pros...worth every penny. I remember a girl who claimed to be 25 when she replied to me online, but was clearly in her 30's when she arrived. She had amazing natural D cups, the best BJ technique and tightest vagina I've ever experienced on a White girl ever...so you never know what you might have missed out on with this girl.

[Obsessive]

Originally Posted by ExecutiveVIP

I used to work in the West Side and couldn't wait to get the fuck out of that area full of fu-fu Prius driving Vaccine Deniers. I remember going to the local branch of a high-end gym I have membership to. I figured I might as well work out there after work while traffic died down have a more pleasant commute home. Needless to say, I chose rush-hour 10 FWY traffic over spending time with those self-important west side winnies.

Anyways, $200 was the going rate for a girl to come over to your place (keep in mind this is fresh pussy delivery straight to your home). That's what I would pay all the craigslist girls I used to catch with my ads back when I was single. Some of the most amazing experiences were from those non-pros...worth every penny. I remember a girl who claimed to be 25 when she replied to me online, but was clearly in her 30's when she arrived. She had amazing natural D cups, the best BJ technique and tightest vagina I've ever experienced on a White girl ever...so you never know what you might have missed out on with this girl.

In the golden days I was barely paying $100 for at home pussy delivery. Mind you my golden days were between 2007 and 2012. Don't know if anyone can relate but here's the breakdown of the best rates I could get for what could be considered great experiences with hot non-hooker girls:

2003 200
2004 220-240
2005 250
2006 250
2007 200
2008 140
2009 100-140
2010 120-140
2011 140
2012 160
2013 200
2014 200
2015 200-250

2 things spoiled it - the economy being good (not necessarily actually good but based on how many broke hot girls are likely floating around) and craigslist shutting down their adult sections. When the economy sucks I don't make as much money either so maybe that is zero-sum. Still, 200 is really the optimal rate currently. I don't find I get much more for more, I can get BBBJ CIM and BBFS for 200 by cute girls who are not hookers so why would I want to pay more? The well never seems to dry up, it just takes a lot more effort to find the right girls.

[deezguy]

Originally Posted by ExecutiveVIP

I used to work in the West Side and couldn't wait to get the fuck out of that area full of fu-fu Prius driving Vaccine Deniers. I remember going to the local branch of a high-end gym I have membership to. I figured I might as well work out there after work while traffic died down have a more pleasant commute home. Needless to say, I chose rush-hour 10 FWY traffic over spending time with those self-important west side winnies.

Anyways, $200 was the going rate for a girl to come over to your place (keep in mind this is fresh pussy delivery straight to your home). That's what I would pay all the craigslist girls I used to catch with my ads back when I was single. Some of the most amazing experiences were from those non-pros...worth every penny. I remember a girl who claimed to be 25 when she replied to me online, but was clearly in her 30's when she arrived. She had amazing natural D cups, the best BJ technique and tightest vagina I've ever experienced on a White girl ever...so you never know what you might have missed out on with this girl.

There has been some discussion added to this thread about the cost of a non-pro providing outcalls on the west side. Let me restate or specify that this non-pro never discussed outcall and she is currently living in the southeast LA County (The LBC). She only worked her day job on the westside. Incall or outcall rates should be considerably less in Long Beach than the west side.

Executive, I no longer live out there but I'm with you on that west side traffic. People making RIGHT turns from the left turn lanes was a regular occurance. Well hey, why not? They do have a green left turn arrow.

Exec, I also drive a hybrid (not a Prius tho). I'll try not to be fu-fu when I'm driving around the LBC. Haha!

[ExecutiveVIP]

Originally Posted by Obsessive

2 things spoiled it - the economy being good (not necessarily actually good but based on how many broke hot girls are likely floating around) and craigslist shutting down their adult sections.

The nice thing when Craigslist had an adult section was that "normal" girls who were there to post a free listing for some junk they wanted to sell from their garage accidentally stumbled upon the adult section and some of them would stumble upon my well-worded and thought out proposition, and would bite the bait.

Those were true non-pros. The "non-pros" at SA these days are there with that purpose in mind already, they didn't "stumble" into it like they used to on CL back in the days.

Back in those days it was easy to tell the non-pros apart from the CL pros: non-pros always gave a BBBJ because that's all they were used to with their boyfriends and hookups. The pros would do CBJ because they were high volume and experienced.

Anyways, I'm married now, so these kind of outcall "non-pro pussy delivery to the home" schemes no longer work out for me. But boy, were they fun!

[Obsessive]

Originally Posted by ExecutiveVIP

The nice thing when Craigslist had an adult section was that "normal" girls who were there to post a free listing for some junk they wanted to sell from their garage accidentally stumbled upon the adult section and some of them would stumble upon my well-worded and thought out proposition, and would bite the bait.

Those were true non-pros. The "non-pros" at SA these days are there with that purpose in mind already, they didn't "stumble" into it like they used to on CL back in the days.

Exactly. This happened because they would search on the top-level categories and the adult-ish ads would mix into the results. Girls looking for waitressing, hostessing, acting or modeling gigs (which would usually be college age hotties new to LA) would notice something not quite a match but raised her curiosity. An email or 2 later they would be agreeable to something a little less than innocent, and it was easy enough from there on or after the first meet to turn them. These girls would have no true idea of the whore world outside of what's in the media, would feel like it was OK because in the end they were always treated kindly and would even be way more reliable than whores who will flake on you if some other better paying or more convenient customer gave her a call.

What kills me is that the same class of girls are all still out there, en masse, but reaching them in this way is now lost. Now any girl who might still be contacted in this type of way whether it's craigslist or some other similar site are without a doubt whores who don't do much else other than whoring.

Originally Posted by ExecutiveVIP

Back in those days it was easy to tell the non-pros apart from the CL pros: non-pros always gave a BBBJ because that's all they were used to with their boyfriends and hookups. The pros would do CBJ because they were high volume and experienced.

This times 1000. BBBJ. CIM. BBFS. No clock-watching. Clean. Smelled great. Always came over like you were the first & last fuck for the day (because most often that was really the case). Real conversations. Real names. Always drove themselves. At home delivery, always. Sometimes they'd even be OK for you to go to their place once they knew you well enough & didn't have boyfriends or actively dating. I experienced this slice of heaven for years. Going down on these girls was also usually a pleasure - clean, perfectly shaved or groomed, no funk.

However, they would usually NOT do what real whores typically are willing to do - facials, rough stuff, porn sex. I rarely want that anyway.

[klausbarbie]

"this chick was an average looking ashkenazi in her 40's. Typical dark circles under the eyes, not a great-looking nose and her attitude was not very congenial."

Haha ! Dude, you are very knowledgeable and articulate. The "dark circles around the eyes" is so fucking hilarious ! That is so true ! And she probably has a nose job in her past as well. Hell, even fucking Natalie Portman had a nose job.... without it, she probably looks like a typical constipated , bitter,angry bitch working in Hollywood.

[deezguy]

Originally Posted by klausbarbie

"this chick was an average looking ashkenazi in her 40's. Typical dark circles under the eyes, not a great-looking nose and her attitude was not very congenial."

Haha ! Dude, you are very knowledgeable and articulate. The "dark circles around the eyes" is so fucking hilarious ! That is so true ! And she probably has a nose job in her past as well. Hell, even fucking Natalie Portman had a nose job.... without it, she probably looks like a typical constipated , bitter Jew bitch working in Hollywood.

Whoa! From our email volley, she told me that she attends Temple, hense the Ashkenazi reference. I wasn't saying that her attitude was based on her religion beliefs.

I'm with you on those asshole Hollywood types, tho! You don't have to believe in a religion to be an A-hole.

[winter29]

Originally Posted by klausbarbie

"this chick was an average looking ashkenazi in her 40's. Typical dark circles under the eyes, not a great-looking nose and her attitude was not very congenial."

Haha ! Dude, you are very knowledgeable and articulate. The "dark circles around the eyes" is so fucking hilarious ! That is so true ! And she probably has a nose job in her past as well. Hell, even fucking Natalie Portman had a nose job.... without it, she probably looks like a typical constipated , bitter Jew bitch working in Hollywood.

It seems to me you are a Nazi Bitch!

[klausbarbie]

Originally Posted by winter29

It seems to me you are a Nazi Bitch!

It seems to me, you are MY bitch.